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Amontgomery
2011-10-24, 01:40
I recently picked up a G-shock DW-5600E for my first g-shock. I've always been a watch guy but never had many digital watches so I am learning as I go. The new watch is great with the exception of one thing, the adjust button is recessed further into the bezel than can be easily reached without the use of a finger nail or pen tip.

I've always been a diy guy and I was wondering if the problem could be corrected by pulling the module/chip/action out of the case then carefully replacing it after setting the buttons to their proper position.

If anyone has tried this any pointers/warnings would be appreciated.

rutteger
2011-10-24, 06:50
The adjust button is slightly recessed by design. Of course it is also possible the module and/or button aren't aligned correctly. Easy enough to check, remove the four screws and caseback and the module will be revealed. Suggest you use something like a cocktail stick to make any adjustments, you really don't want to touch inside the case. When reassembling good form to use silicone grease on the seal :)

rutteger
2011-10-24, 06:54
Although a somewhat differet model this gives an idea of what you might expect to see > http://www.g-shockzone.com/showthread.php?466-G-Shock-Wademan-DW-9800-restoration

macspite
2011-10-24, 08:10
Granny and eggs time:

The silicone grease is important for lubricating the rubber seal to keep it flexible and to ensure waterproofing, Can be obtained in a tube from any good motor factors or car spares shop for about three quid. Squeeze a tiny amount, smaller than a pea into the palm of one hand, spread with a finger tip of the other hand and use that fingertip to lightly and gently smear the seal. If the seal has come away from the watch back then place on a clean surface and lubricate both sides being careful not to pull on it too hard.

It is worth while investing in a decent screwdriver, a Phillips #000. Can be bought on its own or as part of a set from eBay.

I tend to operate on my long-suffering watches in a large tupperware box (lid off obviously!) so that screws dropped remain inside the box and are easily seen.

There is a tiny spring that makes contact between the module and the case back to generate the alarm noise(s). Keeping the watch face down helps prevent losing the spring.

Apologies if this is stating the blindly obvious to you, these are lessons I have learnt through my own clumsy efforts

Amontgomery
2011-10-25, 02:39
Thanks for the advice everyone. I hadn't thought of working on a watch in a container, but that is a brilliant idea.

I would be content to just leave the watch as it is but I am concerned that the button being recessed might compromise the seal of the watch. I work in fairly nasty environments with lots of automotive and industrial fluids and I want the watch to hold up to the conditions (hence getting a G-shock).

rutteger
2011-10-25, 07:49
Container is a good idea actually.

Might be worth getting the watch pressure tested after you've checked the button out to ensure integrity of the seal if that's something you're concerned about :)

gshockpete
2011-10-25, 08:09
Another thumbs up for the container idea.... the amount of times I've had screws and springs go flying and no doubt eaten by the hoover later....

Amontgomery
2011-10-26, 02:07
I guess my main dilemma is, would it be worth it to attempt to fix the button or would it be best for the integrity of the watch to leave it alone? And would the button being recessed already be causing the seal to be compromised?

Regardless, I will probably grab a second G-Shock sometime in the near future to have as a backup and a casual watch to wear when I am not covered in grease, oil, and hydraulic fluids.

macspite
2011-10-26, 08:27
Difficult to tell if the button is too far recessed without seeing a picture. I assume that the button functions as expected? Would have thought that the watch would still be fine for avoiding fluid damage at surface pressure, not certain about at 200m depth equivalent. Opinion is divided about operating buttons when diving.

Good plan to acquire a second watch, mirrors my own experience - bought a nice and,to me, very expensive G-Shock and realised that a lot of the time it would be exposed to all kinds of drilling dust, metal shards, mud and general abuse. So bought a cheap solar atomic off eBay to act as a daily driver. Then found I could repair my old DW-6600 that had been lying unloved for ages.

Now have 30+ G-Shocks ...

rutteger
2011-10-26, 08:48
Difficult to tell if the button is too far recessed without seeing a picture. I assume that the button functions as expected? Would have thought that the watch would still be fine for avoiding fluid damage at surface pressure, not certain about at 200m depth equivalent. Opinion is divided about operating buttons when diving.

Sound advice.

I'd not worry too much about integrity following any repair, you could always get a pressure test if you're worried. From memory the button seal sits inside the case so the amount the button is depressed won't affect the seal. Assume it is recommended not to push the button whilst at pressure because it is probably a good idea not to disturb the seal in any way. However many have indeed pushed buttons whilst diving without issue.

Amontgomery
2011-10-28, 03:48
That is good to hear. I'm not planing on free diving with it or anything, but I do want it to be tough enough to handle my nasty line of work for many years.

On the subject of a second g-shock, I'm looking at the mudman line, any suggestions?

macspite
2011-10-28, 08:23
If you can live with a negative display which, for me, is hard to read unless at the correct angle then the G-9000-3V is my choice. Buttons are far stiffer to operate than a standard G though. Mine was off eBay, new for fifty quid delivered from Hong Kong. That was the first time I had tried buying a watch from overseas and the transaction was faultless and remarkably quick.

763

rutteger
2011-10-28, 10:53
That is good to hear. I'm not planing on free diving with it or anything, but I do want it to be tough enough to handle my nasty line of work for many years.

On the subject of a second g-shock, I'm looking at the mudman line, any suggestions?

Plenty of choice in the mudman range!

The outgoing G-Shock G-9000 mudman would be the obvious choice as macspite suggests.

Otherwise you might look at-

Original DW-8400 Mudman

773

Original GW-9000 atomic mudman

774

Slightly later GW-9010 atomic mudman 'rally timer'

775

Or of course the all new G-Shock G-9300 Mudman (http://www.g-shockzone.com/content.php?124-New-G-Shock-G-9300-Mudman)

http://www.g-shockzone.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65&d=1301696348

and the corresponding GW-9300 atomic mudman (http://www.g-shockzone.com/content.php?148-Casio-announce-G-Shock-GW-9300-Mudman)

http://www.g-shockzone.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150&d=1302731890

SO a bit of choice then, this is without looking at colours, limited edition etc etc.

rutteger
2011-10-28, 10:54
Buttons are far stiffer to operate than a standard G though.

I've noted this also, heard boiling the entire watch can help soften the resin. Not tried it though....

macspite
2011-10-28, 12:42
G-Shock soup anyone?


...heard boiling the entire watch can help soften the resin...

the story I heard was that the buttons are stiffer because of the construction though I fail to see that keeping out mud is any different to keeping out water. I am considering taking a spares/repair G-Shock and putting through a washing machine with a normal load of clothing to see what happens. Problem is that I love all my Gs even the battered old cheapies.

rutteger
2011-10-28, 19:42
Soup, nice ;)

You'd think if a seal can keep out 20 atm of pressure it could also handle some mud! Guess the rationale for the mudman shrouded buttons maybe to keep mud from getting between button and bezel.

As for the washing machine I tried it. Had a DW-5300 with a knackered bezel and strap which smelt of cigarettes. Chucked the lot in. Module didn't fare too well, came out partially dead, unsure if seal wasn't 100% prior to washing or whether it had an unlucky blow getting spun at 1400rpm.

macspite
2011-10-28, 20:10
`Back when I were a nipper and the Archers on the Home Service has just trumped the opening night of an upstart broadcaster called ITV, Timex had an advert where a child strapped one of their watches around the hub of his bike wheel and pedalled around a motocross course. A forerunner of the Casio hockey puck ad.

My mate tried it with his birthday Timex.

His tears for his wrecked watch subsided when generous Timex sent him another with a stern warning never to try anything so stupid again.

seanobsdot
2011-10-28, 20:51
so this boiling the gshock thing ive heard of it and seen it but i dont trust it. can you actually soften up the band like that? just got a gw7900 and the band on it is kind of stiff compared to others i have. i dont really think i would boil any of my G's but has anone here actully done this? Results?

macspite
2011-10-28, 21:16
I think it is rather more of a gentle application of heat rather than a rolling boil. And it is probably a good idea to remove the resin parts to place in the water and leave the module and inner case on the side of the stove in the dry.

I have certainly heard of warming a new bezel before fitting it to make it easier to pull over the buttons but it is not something I have had to do on the one occasion I fitted a bezel to renovate an old watch.

Amontgomery
2011-10-29, 03:43
http://www.amazon.com/Casio-G9000MS-1CR-G-Shock-Military-Concept/dp/B001QFYDEW/ref=pd_sbs_watch_t1_8

So I ordered this one. I liked the idea of Mud-resistance and the stock blacked-out. I'll probably convert it to use a Zulu band as well.

macspite
2011-10-29, 08:32
Nice choice. Pictures of the new arrival will be appreciated and no doubt cooed over by the "mothers" in here :devilish:

As an aside I became responsible for our military collectors club publicity last Thursday at our AGM - I think we should start a military wing of this forum with reduced admission to our annual four day vehicle and re-enactor show (http://www.solentoverlord.co.uk/blog/overlord-2011/) for G-Shock paramilitaries. Best to keep it a secret though, if the moderator finds out he will probably ban me for blatant advertising :(

Amontgomery
2011-10-29, 17:08
I'd be on the military sub-forum if you made one, as long as I can post pictures of my watches next to my own firearms.

macspite
2011-10-29, 18:20
Let's keep it mainstream for the moment but I'm up for pictures of watches in context - military series and firearms, Risemen at altitude and Froggies at depth. Let's do it :)

rutteger
2011-10-29, 21:41
`Back when I were a nipper and the Archers on the Home Service has just trumped the opening night of an upstart broadcaster called ITV, Timex had an advert where a child strapped one of their watches around the hub of his bike wheel and pedalled around a motocross course. A forerunner of the Casio hockey puck ad.

My mate tried it with his birthday Timex.

His tears for his wrecked watch subsided when generous Timex sent him another with a stern warning never to try anything so stupid again.

Not an advert I recall but that is brilliant! Classic school boy error. Do you recall what model it was, surely must pre date the ironman?

rutteger
2011-10-29, 21:43
Nice choice. Pictures of the new arrival will be appreciated and no doubt cooed over by the "mothers" in here :devilish:

As an aside I became responsible for our military collectors club publicity last Thursday at our AGM - I think we should start a military wing of this forum with reduced admission to our annual four day vehicle and re-enactor show (http://www.solentoverlord.co.uk/blog/overlord-2011/) for G-Shock paramilitaries. Best to keep it a secret though, if the moderator finds out he will probably ban me for blatant advertising :(

I'll let it slide this once ;) Looks interesting!



Let's keep it mainstream for the moment but I'm up for pictures of watches in context - military series and firearms, Risemen at altitude and Froggies at depth. Let's do it :)

Sounds a good idea for a thread.

Amontgomery
2011-10-30, 03:50
I'll start a mil-series/concept watch thread when mine comes in, that is, if someone hasn't started one already. Plus, I may throw in a few pictures of some of my other babies. :cool:

macspite
2011-10-30, 07:11
@rutteger - certainly not Ironman and definitely predates G-Shock, the watch in question was analog before the term was invented as there were no digitals around. But as for model number ...

@Amontgomery, yes please, more pics!